Season 6 Episode 13: Popeye Vs The Shining
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Chris:Welcome to another disjointed, confusing, and possibly chaotic episode of Cinematic Anarchy where we're gonna try a little something new today. Joining me for this, experiment, I guess we'll call it, Matt and Rachel from the Strange and Beautiful Book Club podcast.
Rachel:We live here now.
Chris:I mean, I've had much worse, house guests.
Matt:Home away from home. Home away from home.
Chris:Right here. Right here. And, today, we're gonna try as again, again, like I said, there's something a little different. I'm tripping on my tongue as it's a little late at night. It's been a long freaking day.
Chris:A lot to do at my 9 to 5 job. A lot. That being said, we are going to be pitting 2 movies that have absolutely nothing to do with each other outside of the late, great Shelley Duvall, Popeye versus The Shining.
Rachel:Yeah.
Matt:What a match.
Chris:I will admit I was watching The Shining, and I was thinking to myself, I really like Shelley Duvall, and I haven't seen her in a lot of other movies, and it would be fun to just kind of discuss some of her films, and how they compare to each other, and her acting performances in them. And then I started thinking, well, what if we just took The Shining and Popeye, which at the time I had not watched in probably a little more than a decade. Yeah. I forgot it was a musical.
Rachel:Yes.
Chris:And we just kinda compared the the the characters, kinda pit them against each other. See see what who had better acting performances in those lead roles. Yeah. And so, I also might have had a few drinks when I thought of that. So
Matt:I I was gonna ask if this was just your idea or if this was somebody's suggestion.
Chris:As a as a good friend of mine would say, occasionally, the best ideas come from a mind that's not necessarily sober. Mhmm. That's okay. I was not necessarily sober that particular evening or not even remotely sober.
Rachel:Idea or not.
Chris:We will see.
Rachel:I think it was fun.
Chris:So the basic idea here is that, we are each going to prevent or we're gonna prevent, present a quick synopsis of each of these movies, and then we'll just go right into talking about character versus character. We have sort of a basic list. We can adjust it as we go along if we feel the need. So if you guys would like to start, you can pick which movie you'd like to give a quick synopsis of.
Rachel:I mean, I'd love to give one of Popeye, but, like you, I had not seen it in probably 25 years, I would say.
Chris:Okay.
Rachel:I my dad loved Popeye, loved Popeye. And
Matt:The the character in general, maybe not
Matt:the movie.
Rachel:In general, not the movie. Yeah. He liked Popeye the cartoon. So I was familiar with the cartoon. I had not watched the movie in a long time, and it turns out the only section I remembered at all is the ending with the octopus.
Matt:That's it?
Rachel:Yeah. I was like, wow. I know I have seen this. I don't remember any of this. But, basically, Popeye shows up.
Rachel:Shenanigans ensue. He gets a baby. He loves the baby. He meets his dad. His dad doesn't wanna be his dad, and then his dad does wanna be his dad.
Rachel:And him and But he doesn't
Matt:want his dad to be his dad. Right.
Rachel:And then they go on an epic chase over to an island to find this treasure, which it turns out is cans of spinach and baby books.
Chris:Bronze shoes. And Bronze shoes.
Rachel:And bronze shoes. And then, Popeye, gets force fed spinach, and then he punches an octopus into the atmosphere, and then that's end of the movie. Yeah.
Chris:And a yellow Bluto. Don't forget yellow Bluto.
Rachel:Yeah. Bluto turns yellow because he's so scared.
Chris:He turns chicken.
Rachel:And then olive oil falls in love with him, and that's the end of it.
Chris:Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's a pretty good synopsis. Okay. So I guess I get the I get The Shining.
Chris:Right?
Rachel:Well, I feel like that's the one most people know. If anybody's gonna know a movie in this in this combination, it's gonna be The Shining.
Chris:Well, my synopsis isn't gonna be any better than, the the Popeye explanation there. Let me tell you. No. I've I've seen The Shining several times, but it's just sorta I don't know. Each time I watch it, it feels like I'm watching it for the first time for some reason.
Rachel:It's not memorable. That's why.
Matt:Rachel has feelings about the Shining movie.
Chris:Jack Nicholson is certainly memorable. Yeah. Like, in a crazy way. Like, the one flew over the cuckoo's nest. He he had that manic crazy energy.
Rachel:Yeah. He was Jack Nicholson in every movie with different names.
Chris:Pretty much. Okay. So man signs up his family for a trip or basically for a caretaking job at a remote chalet, let's say, a remote hotel that that was the Overlook Hotel?
Rachel:Yeah. The Overlook.
Chris:And, basically signs them up to be isolated in a cabin in the winter or in a hotel in the winter while he takes on the maintenance and tries to write a book. Even in spite of the warning that some dude went mad long, long ago and, because of the isolation, ended up slaughtering his entire family. He goes, you know what? My family will love it. She loves ghost stories.
Chris:Let's go up there and do the thing.
Rachel:It's gonna be fun.
Chris:It'll be fun. And, you know, the sun lies a lot through sun who has the shining, lies a lot throughout the thing. Are you having fun? Yeah. I'm having fun, dad.
Chris:Are you sure you're having fun? Yes. I'm sure I'm having fun, dad. Okay. I'm glad you're having fun.
Chris:I'm glad we're having fun, dad. So and Danny, of course, meets his, shining brother, scat man brothers, Dick o Dick Halloran? No. Nope. Dick Halloran.
Chris:Yes. And, murderous hijinks ensue as he slowly devolves into exactly what the guy warned him of when they went up there. He tries to kill his family, and he tries to kill his family. He succeeds in killing Dick.
Rachel:Yep.
Chris:Then he chases his son out into a maze and loses his son because his son is infinitely smarter than crazy Jack there. And, Jack freezes to death. And the boy and the mother escape. Happy day.
Rachel:End of story.
Chris:Yeah. Pretty much. So one's a love story, another one's not a love story. Unless, of course, you go back and you check out the YouTube video that Blunt Bob sent us the other evening, which is basically The Shining or scenes from The Shining cut together to make it look more like a romantic love story about a child who's in need of a father.
Matt:It is. I did not see that. It is. I was gonna say one of them is Shelley Duvall falling in love with a potentially violent man, and the other movie is Shelley Duvall falling out of love with a violent man.
Chris:Either way, it's a, it's an attraction to violence.
Rachel:Yeah. Although, Popeye is far more moral than Jack Torrance ever is. Yeah.
Chris:But but also think about the beginning of Popeye, where she is trying to make justifications for why she actually likes Bluto.
Rachel:Yeah. He's large. He's big. He's he's large.
Chris:He's
Matt:large. Oh, there you go. Both of them are about Shelley Duvall, far falling out of love.
Chris:With a violent man.
Matt:Violent man. Exactly. In one, she escapes with her life. In the other, she escapes with Popeye.
Chris:Yeah. And a baby.
Rachel:And a baby.
Chris:And And a baby. Potentially Popeye's pappy.
Rachel:Yeah. Poop Deck Pappy.
Chris:Poop Deck Pappy. Seriously? Oh, there's there's some names. Oh my god.
Rachel:That's his name.
Chris:There are some names in that movie like, well, sweet pea, of course, poop deck pappy.
Matt:Uh-huh. The whole oil family.
Chris:It's like Harold.
Rachel:Nana Oil.
Chris:Nana Oil, Castor Oil, Coal Oil. Let's see, spike, George, and slug. The tax man is fairly normal. There was, Harold Hamburger played by Bill Irwin. Wimpy, the
Rachel:guy who's always eating the hamburger.
Chris:Wimpy. That is the only thing that I remembered of Popeye. Strangely. Was Wimpy? Was Wimpy.
Rachel:Well, our arguably, he's one of the most famous. I'm pretty sure there's a chain in England named Wimpy's, and it's a burger chain.
Chris:Yes. But, like, watching the movie through, I specifically remembered the scenes with Wimpy attached and not so much the rest of it.
Rachel:So It's yeah. Like, I thought I remembered more of it, but when I watched it, you know, it plays like a late seventies film where it's really drawn.
Matt:A late seventies foreign film that
Rachel:is badly Badly dubbed. Yeah. That's what it felt like. I was like, I don't know what anyone's saying. I don't know what's happening, but it's been happening for 14 hours.
Rachel:And, like, I just oh, where's the octopus? I remember there being an octopus because somehow all eighties movies that took place by the ocean had to end with an octopus.
Chris:Fair enough. Goonies.
Rachel:Yeah. The Goonies was supposed to have the octopus.
Chris:I think that got cut out. Yeah.
Matt:Yeah. It
Rachel:did because it looked too, like, crappy.
Chris:Oh, like, the octopus for Popeye didn't?
Matt:Yeah.
Rachel:Right. Looked like a little was like, yeah. Who gives a shit, man? It's fine. I was just The
Matt:Goonies had other stuff to fill in the plot.
Rachel:Yeah. They could have eliminated Popeye didn't really have anything to replace the octopus. Right.
Chris:No. Just a lot of Popeye being Popeye for the most part.
Matt:Yeah. And I told Rachel this is, like, the Robin Williams role where he is, like, the least Robin Williams. The least Robin Williams. Yeah. He's, like, so subdued as Robin Williams.
Matt:Like, he's I don't know if they're, like, coercing him into playing the character.
Rachel:Well, I think because Popeye's such an established character. Yeah.
Chris:Yeah. If you Yeah.
Matt:He probably didn't have a lot of room to adlib.
Chris:None of the colorized stuff really reminded me of his version of Popeye. It's the black and white version of Popeye that his character reminded me of. So it's the old, old stuff.
Rachel:Yeah. Like the 19 thirties.
Chris:Because once they started once we you start getting a little color into the the the cartoons, Popeye was a lot more animated and a lot more verbal. Right? He didn't mumble as much as what he of of what he said. You know? You got that Yeah.
Chris:I I don't know I don't know how to talk about that that, speech impediment that he has.
Matt:Oh, that's a a sailor dialect.
Chris:Yeah. The the the it was weird. It's it's adding, like, a little bit onto words that it doesn't really
Rachel:Yeah. Mhmm.
Chris:It doesn't need. I I I I really would have to watch it to to get that whole thing. I had that one little thing that I could do where he you know, that that's about as far as I get with that, but the embarrassing.
Rachel:Yeah. But,
Chris:I really think that he did a good job portraying, like,
Matt:an early, like, black and white Popeye. Yeah. But, I really think that he did a good job portraying, like, an early, like, black and white Popeye.
Chris:Yeah. I really think that he did a good job portraying, like, portraying, like, an early, like, black and white Popeye. Yeah. I don't think I like I think the movie could've done a lot better if he tried to portray the more animated version of the character because I think that would've played a lot to his other strengths as a well, he's a character. He does a lot of impressions.
Chris:Well, this would've he's a character. He does a lot of impressions.
Rachel:Well, this would have benefited from being more of an interpretation of Popeye and less of a direct, how do we make it look like Popeye live action? Because even the shoes are large, comically large, pants are, like, flare at the bottom and make them look like weighted at the foot. And it was just so on the nose that
Chris:Shelley Duvall is spot on olive oil.
Rachel:She is olive oil. Like, perfect like, that's olive oil from the cards. Like, even her, like, oh, oh, when she's running around and making her, like, exclamation noises.
Chris:You can't tell me that there wasn't a little inspiration from olive oil in Marge Simpson. Oh. You can't tell me.
Matt:The way she I mean, Popeye walks up stairs and things looks exactly like she does in the cartoon.
Chris:Yeah. Or the little twisty turny thing that she did when she, met Popeye out on the dock, kinda tangled herself up. Yeah. I think that, yeah, she was spot on Olive Oil. The guy that played Bluto was not bad, but I was hoping for just a little bit more from him.
Rachel:I feel like he always played a thug. What else does he play in?
Chris:He was in a lot of things, but nothing that I've watched, if I'm honest. Paul l Smith. He was, yeah. Like, let's see, the Diamond Peddlers, Carambola, Convoy Buddies, We Are No Angels, Sonny Boy. There's nothing here that I've seen, Return of the Tiger, Red Sonja.
Chris:I don't remember him in Red Sonja, though.
Rachel:Red Sonja. That's what I know him from. Thank you.
Matt:What does he do in Red Sonja?
Rachel:I think he's the, he's the guy who's watching the little boy. Remember the little boy she meets up with?
Matt:Okay. Vaguely.
Rachel:Who's like a martial artist? He's like, I'm a prince. And then that guy is, like, taking care of him.
Matt:He
Chris:also played doctor Paul Abbott in haunted honeymoon, I guess, Alongside of Dom Delaouise and Gene Wilder? That is, Caged Fury, Eye of the Widow, Gore, they call me Shmuel, Desert Kickboxer. He doesn't look like a kickboxer. I guess he was in all
Matt:desert kickboxer. It's different.
Chris:He was also in the, Jodie Foster Mel Gibson flick Maverick.
Rachel:He's the Beast Rabban from the 19 eighties Dune. Oh. That's it. Oh. Okay.
Matt:Got it.
Rachel:Now he's not he's Rabanne from the 1984 Dune.
Matt:So he's in like 3 seconds of screen time.
Rachel:Yeah. But it's fine. He eats a cow tongue and he smiles.
Chris:Fair enough. Yeah.
Matt:He he
Matt:hits the vibe.
Rachel:He does. He hits the vibe. And he gets, like, a minute with naked naked sting, so it's fine.
Matt:What would have been naked sting? G string sting. Winged g string sting?
Chris:Yeah. Okay. Okay. I'm guessing he was not the one chewing up the scene there.
Matt:No. No. Nobody was looking at Paul Smith.
Rachel:No. Not at all.
Chris:Hey. Wasn't he Pluto? No. Like, oh.
Rachel:Oh, yeah. This is 4 years after he was Pluto. He was Pluto in 1980.
Chris:These films both came out in the same year.
Rachel:Really?
Chris:1980. Yep. Both films came out in 1980. Wow.
Matt:So it's
Chris:just a it's a stark difference in in performances.
Matt:So The
Matt:Shining had a lot of a lot more postproduction.
Rachel:Shelley Duvall had a lot going on. Yeah.
Chris:I've gotta check something now just for my we haven't even gotten into the character versus character portion of this particular episode, but it is something I wanna check before we move too much further because we have Popeye, we have The Shining, I wanna see what the production cost is versus what they brought back in for these films. And I'm I'm causing a little bit of dead air, but we can always edit the silent sound. That that's that's that's good. Me, me deciding to Google something in the middle of the episode is probably, bad form,
Matt:but What's
Rachel:the oracle? Research. So let's see.
Chris:That's about research. Popeye had an estimated budget of $20,000,000 and ended up grossing, just shy of $50,000,000 Oof. Between the US and Canada. That's actually worldwide, so I guess they only showed it in the US and Canada.
Rachel:So Nobody else wants this. It's fine.
Matt:I saw a story today about this guy who had a full time job, and he was doing this, like, side thing where he was making a moo a horror movie just on his own, just filming it with his own camera and whatever. And he was like, it'll be alright. He had a budget of $15,000, and it took him a few years to do it. Okay. And then Paramount bought it, and it ended up grossing a $190,000,000.
Chris:Bullshit. Okay.
Matt:Here's it was paranormal activity.
Chris:Slight surprise here. Looking up the budget for The Shining, almost exactly the same. $19,000,000 except for bauxite office wise, they brought in a little less at $47,000,000.
Matt:What? So, Popeye was more successful in the box office than The Shining.
Chris:So box office wise, Popeye made more money.
Rachel:But but Stanley Kubrick.
Chris:I would say that this movie yeah. I mean, The Shining definitely was more infamous afterwards, but at the time, Popeye was a more recognizable character.
Rachel:Yeah. That's fair.
Matt:That's a good point. Yeah.
Chris:So while this one goes on to live in infamy, other people are going, Popeye, what? It was a Popeye movie?
Matt:Robin Williams was in a Popeye movie?
Rachel:I can't say Popeye has aged as well as The Shining even though my per personal feelings about The Shining aside.
Chris:No. I would love to see a better interpretation of Popeye made now.
Rachel:Oh, yeah. No. Not the not the Popeye IP. The way they chose to film this
Chris:Grabbed.
Rachel:And I guess a lot of, Robin Williams' dialogue was unintelligible when they went to review the film, and he had to redub himself.
Chris:So he had to mumble a little louder?
Rachel:Just Yeah.
Chris:He still mumbled. It was still unintelligible without subtitles.
Rachel:Or even after all that, I still didn't know what he was saying. Like, I can't imagine going to see this in the theaters. I would have been like, what is going on? What is he talking about? And I get it.
Rachel:He's being Popeye, but this is where, like, it worked in a cartoon. It doesn't work on a movie screen.
Chris:Right.
Matt:And it kind of worked watching it now because of the subtitles.
Chris:Yeah. Without the subtitles, it would have been terrible. Like, terrible.
Matt:I,
Matt:And it still made more money at the box office than The Shining.
Chris:I also thought that I might have another, a little bit of time before actually recording this episode. So I purchased the Blu ray copy, which has not arrived at my house yet. So Oh. It's like I on top of purchasing the Blu ray copy, I also rented it for $4. So well, Pluto didn't provide, subtitles.
Rachel:Oh.
Chris:For some reason. So, I mean, it has subtitles on certain things, but it did not have subtitles on that. So it's like, oh, great. So I'm gonna have to go to, like, Voodoo or Prime and freaking rent the thing or purchase it so I can get the subtitles.
Rachel:Yeah. I rented it for sure. Because I tried finding it. It said it was on Freebie. I clicked on it and it was a 4 hours of Popeye cartoons, but it had the cover art from the movie.
Rachel:And I was like, no, like, about halfway through a cartoon. And I was like, this is probably because I know the opening sequence is cartoon. So I was waiting for it to, like, resolve into the movie, and it wasn't. And I was like, I better check.
Chris:I, I turned on the Pluto version, and then I got up to, like, grab popcorn that I had left in the microwave. And as I'm going out to the microwave, I hear in the background Spanish. And apparently, there were 2 different versions of it. There was the the Spanish speaking version and the English speaking version. They don't have, like, 2 different audio tracks that you can flip through.
Chris:It's literally just 2 different versions in
Matt:the movie.
Chris:Yeah. And so I'm like, oh, okay. Yep. Definitely not what I was expecting. All the like the titles were in Spanish and everything.
Chris:And it's like, oh, alright. So I have to go find the English version now.
Rachel:Yeah. So
Chris:I had to pop through 3 different versions of the movie before I finally settled on, voodoo to get my my subtitles.
Rachel:Nice. So yeah.
Chris:It's like, Robin, you're mumbling way too low for me to understand.
Rachel:I know. I know. You could understand Shelley, though. So she had that going for her. I mean But I get it.
Chris:It kind of okay. You got a sailor. He's fresh off the boat, and he's basically muttering and mumbling an internal monologue, but out loud. Just walking through the place kinda mumbling. Even his first song
Matt:was mostly mumbling. Consciousness with a pipe in his mouth.
Chris:Yeah. Pretty much.
Rachel:I did like the tax guy. There's a question tax. 10ยข.
Matt:That was a nice bit. Yeah.
Rachel:Stuff under the war of tax.
Chris:I like what what is that guy? I liked Ox Oxblood, the boxer that he, he just totals in the, the the ring. Yeah. I did like that.
Rachel:Yeah. He winds up he does the fist wind up.
Chris:The fist wind up, and he does the pipe spin, if I'm not mistaken. The
Rachel:Yeah. That was probably the best part of the entire movie is when he uses his pipe as a periscope. It's like boop, boop, boop.
Matt:That's it. Oh, that's where his his squinty eye is. It's in his pipe.
Rachel:And he finds that pipe on the ground at the very beginning of the movie too.
Chris:Oh, so
Matt:Or it
Rachel:gets knocked out of his mouth. I know it happens around the time that he gets hit by a piano, so it's
Chris:different to say. I think he dropped the pipe as the piano, and then it was sort of a gag. Like, he dropped the pipe accidentally after tripping, and then the pipe he bends down to get it and they
Rachel:Yeah. The piano swing
Chris:swing over his head. And then he stands up and it bumps him in the back, and then he pushes it. And I guess that slight push was hard enough to swing it all the way back up to the guys that dropped it to begin with. And somehow they're all strong enough to full on catch a damn piano as it comes at them.
Rachel:It was time. It's fine. Sailors.
Chris:Like, the freaking piano was crowd surfing.
Rachel:Well, that eats me spinach.
Chris:He was not eating his spinach at that time. He hated spinach.
Rachel:I know he was not.
Chris:Even through the whole speech, he's he's big and strong. Makes you big and strong. That's why we all eat spinach. Why? And you hated your spinach, you little brat.
Chris:I really got the drag strip going by my house tonight. I that's, like, the 4th car that just buzzed by my house.
Rachel:It's Thursday night party night over there.
Chris:Yeah. Downtown Haverhill drag strip. Everybody has to have a loud fucking car out here. And it's like, I'm all for it. If you wanna, you know, soup up your car, make it sound loud, if that's what entertains you, fine.
Chris:But, you know, it's 9 o'clock at night. Could you please stay home? I don't wanna hear it. I'm on the main road. Makes me wanna go live in the woods.
Chris:Yeah. Alright. So we're already talking about Popeye. Let's compare him to Jack Torrance.
Rachel:Okay.
Chris:So we have, obviously, Jack Torrance played by Jack Nicholson. We have Popeye played by Robin Williams. Who do you think put bet forth a better performance, a more memorable performance?
Rachel:Oh, that's a really tricky question because I don't like Jack Nicholson, and I don't like Jack Nicholson in The Shining because I like the book The Shining so much. And in the book, the Jack Torrance character is very much like a a dad going through hard times trying to be a better person. And when he takes them to the outlook, he's using it as a way to, like, defeat his own demons. And that's why the outlook uses him as, like, a conduit to try to harm his family. And he gets he actually fights becoming a bad person as opposed to, I think, the Jack Nicholson character where never are you ever wondering whether he's gonna be the bad guy.
Rachel:You know he's the bad guy from the minute he walks into the screen, And it's just a slow reveal of how bad is he gonna be and when is he gonna go bad.
Chris:Because Jack Nicholson.
Rachel:Because it's Jack Nicholson. And I guess Robin Williams was up for that part. I think he would have done a better job. Oh. Like, in 1 hour photo where he's the bad guy.
Rachel:Oh, yeah.
Chris:You know, in in a lot, this is back when they had trouble thinking of a comedic actor, somebody who's famous for being a comedic actor as a serious actor. So so many
Matt:That's that's one of my favorite things is when you take a comedian slash comedic actor and get them to commit to a, like, serious dramatic role
Chris:Playing completely against him.
Matt:There was a meme I saw about
Rachel:Adam Sandler
Matt:with a beard. Adam Sandler with a beard. It's like, oh, Adam Sandler has a beard in this movie. That means it's a serious dramatic role.
Rachel:It's gonna be good.
Matt:And it's gonna be good.
Rachel:Well, I think Robin Williams disappears into Popeye.
Matt:So I I would say Robin Williams more accurately portrays the character of the story that he's acting in. Yeah. But Jack Nicholson kind of fulfills the Jack Nicholson vibe.
Rachel:I mean, he's sufficiently terrifying. Like, here's Johnny. That's iconic and terrifying.
Matt:Scary movie.
Rachel:Right. But do I think he captures who like, I don't know. I just don't find him as compelling of a character, and it doesn't matter. But I think Robin Williams does a better job being Popeye than Jack Nicholson does being Jack Torrance.
Matt:I Although the Jack Nicholson as Jack Torrance is more striking because he's being, like, himself. He's being his stereotype.
Chris:Okay.
Matt:And the Robin Williams as Popeye kind of feels very subdued, and it feels like Robin Williams' weakest role.
Rachel:Yeah. It's one of his first.
Matt:Yeah.
Chris:Yeah. So I hear I hear one vote for Popeye, one vote for, Jack Torrance.
Matt:It depends on what you mean. Ty Ty is the best.
Rachel:Well, I mean, look at what, Jack Nicholson has to work with. He's in these shots where he's center frame. It's just him. It's very sparse. He's got these long drawn out scenes where he doesn't have dialogue.
Rachel:We just get a lot of intense eye contact or intense filmography. And then you have Popeye who is always working in ensemble cast. He has that huge set that they're always moving through, and he almost never is alone, and he doesn't have any real single lines of dialogue that are not leading into a musical number.
Matt:That's true. Yeah. Robin Williams really excels when he can be the center of attention, and he can really command that. Yeah. But he doesn't really get a chance in Popeye to do that.
Chris:I don't think anybody in that movie really got a chance to do that.
Rachel:Yeah. Just Shelley Duvall. She got a Duvall Master. She was singing by herself, and that was about it.
Chris:I think the movie should have been called Olive Oil
Rachel:Yeah.
Chris:Personally. But that being beside the point, I'm am I wrong to assume that we're falling on 2 different sides here? Like, you prefer the Popeye performance, you prefer the Jack Torrance performance.
Rachel:I think that Popeye I think he was a he captured Popeye perfectly, so I'm gonna go with Popeye.
Chris:Okay.
Matt:And I'm gonna go with, overall, The Shining is a more entertaining movie to watch.
Chris:But was it because of him?
Matt:Yeah. I I would say mostly it's because of the filmography and the sound production on Popeye made Popeye hard to watch.
Chris:Okay.
Matt:It it wasn't as gripping whereas
Matt:But
Rachel:do you like Jack Nicholson as an actor?
Chris:We're not talking about the movies in general. We're just talking about actor versus, performance
Matt:versus performance. Like Jack Nicholson as Jack Torrance more than I liked Robin Williams as Popeye.
Chris:Okay. I lean on the side of Popeye. I I I agree with Rachel. I think that he took what what I what was that 19, like, was it 19 forties, like, black and white Popeye?
Rachel:Yeah.
Chris:Thirties and forties, and did that perfectly. Because it wasn't a lot of verbal. He had a lot of muttering and kind of did his thing. But if you took that version of Popeye and transformed it into a live action color film, Robin Williams was spot on Popeye. I can intellectually appreciate
Matt:how well Robin Williams executed on that character, but it was less entertaining for me.
Chris:I will be honest. My feelings on Jack Torrance is well, I'm I'm not I don't necessarily object with, Jack Nicholson as an actor. I think some of the scenes, throughout the film, there were just scenes that he did where he overacted to the point that it kinda took me out of the movie a little bit. And it was more people's reaction, their visceral reactions to him acting like a complete psychopath throughout the rest of the movie that made the movie for me. So it wasn't so much him
Rachel:Yeah.
Chris:And his acting performance that I loved. It was more of just everybody just everything going on around him and Jack being Jack.
Rachel:Yeah.
Chris:So I lean on the side of Robin Williams doing Popeye. That's
Rachel:Yeah. Agreed.
Chris:Now we have Wendy Torrance versus Olive Oyl, which is a much tougher discussion.
Rachel:Yeah. I think Olive Oil
Matt:Olive Oil
Rachel:Jack Torrance.
Matt:Was having a lot more fun than Wendy Torrance.
Chris:Oh, she definitely was.
Rachel:Olive Oil would never have put up with with Jack Torrance.
Chris:Oh, no. Well No. She would put up with Jack Torrance until something better came along because that's what she did with Pluto. She was kind of there for Pluto in his, brooded ways.
Rachel:Away. I mean, she's running away when she meets Popeye and they get the baby. And then she's like, well, I'm a mother now. I bet guess I better go home. So she takes the they take the baby back home.
Rachel:Actually, Popeye says he's the mother.
Chris:Right. They just randomly find a Yeah. A baby in a basket. No questions. It's oh, this is mine now.
Rachel:You know? They're like, okay. Well, there's a note. It's so it's fine. Like, I'm just leaving this baby until I clear up my financial obligation.
Rachel:Should take me roughly 25 years. I'll be back to get it then. They're like, okay. Well, I'm the mother now. Popeye says he's the mother, and I guess it's okay.
Rachel:Olive Oil can be the dad. That's when she sings the whole song about, like, oh, he needs me? He really needs me? That's so nice. I think I don't know.
Rachel:I've never liked the Wendy character. I do think that Shelley Duvall does a good job with it. Of course, she's actually physically terrified as Shelley Duvall the entire time she's on the set. Her family's work was such an asshole.
Chris:They traumatized her the entire movie.
Rachel:Yeah. So, of course, she's genuinely terrified and looks awful the entire movie. She was actually terrified the entire movie. And I think that you can tell she's having a lot more fun as Olive Oyl. And so I like I enjoy the Olive Oyl character a lot more.
Rachel:It's a lot she's a lot more independent. She's a lot more autonomous as opposed to Wendy, who's much more just like Wendy despite Jack or Wendy with Jack. Not like a you you would never watch a movie with just Wendy. I'd watch a movie with just olive oil.
Chris:Okay. Silence, from the other side here. He's contemplating.
Matt:Oh, no. I don't know that I have much more to say. Of the,
Rachel:You can just go agreed.
Chris:Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. I think we're we're we're all
Matt:She's having olive oil is having more fun Yeah. Is my my observation.
Chris:Yeah. I I will I'm gonna have to agree watching Shelley Duvall as olive oil is far more entertaining outside of I I just did not enjoy her musical number.
Matt:No. Rachel noted, it's interesting that they made this a musical, and they didn't get people who were good at singing.
Rachel:I was like, bold choice. Bold choice.
Chris:Yes. No.
Rachel:I think they're singing isn't there singing in the cartoon? Because there's the I eats me spinach song, which dad used to sing all the time.
Chris:I think that's like the all there is is very little singing in the actual cartoon itself. It's just that that song. There's maybe 1 or 2 other things.
Matt:Ditties that he sings Yeah. In his mostly monotone gravelly popeye voice.
Chris:Yeah. I'll be honest. Like, what little she might of what little tune she might actually in the actual cartoon is not really all that different from, from her performance in the movie. It was just a little off putting that to hear it coming out of her mouth. It was just like I
Rachel:don't think that was Shelley Duvall's strength. I think she's probably a very talented woman, but I just don't think a musical is maybe, like, her strength. No. What a bold choice. They were like, let's adapt this cartoon that is in no way a musical, but what if it was?
Chris:What if we had dialogue that nobody could understand, but then people sang and you could understand them? Yeah. Sometimes.
Rachel:Yeah. And and, Robin Williams will just sing a song that's like, I am what I am what I am what I am what I am.
Chris:I am what I am what I am what I am, and that's all that I am. It's like, wow.
Rachel:And Bluto got one. Bluto was actually one of the better. I will agree. Yes. Singers.
Rachel:I was like, oh, that's really interesting. There
Chris:you go.
Matt:That spends really repetitive, which I had a hard time listening to.
Chris:Yeah. He spends a lot of the movie just grunting. Just
Rachel:Yeah. You know? He eats a cup. He grunts a lot.
Chris:I like that part.
Rachel:Some windows.
Chris:See, the eating of the cup. I like that. The tea cup that he decided to turn into, chewable or inedible or something.
Rachel:Yeah. Just He's mad, so he eats a glass teacup. Gotcha.
Chris:Yeah. Just to be intimidating. Alright. Moving on to people that probably shouldn't be pitted against each other, the character of Wimpy versus Dick Halloran.
Rachel:I think they just sit down and hang out. Isn't Dick the cook?
Chris:Dick's the cook and the other character with The Shining in the movie.
Rachel:Yeah. Yep.
Chris:Scatman Carruthers. And, Wimpy, that guy, he's been in everything. That guy. Yeah. I'm sitting here saying that guy, and I don't have the information up anymore because I decided to go look up how much these movies made.
Chris:So now Popeye has disappeared.
Rachel:Dick's brief role, he's much more of a character. I think Wimpy was a character in that this whole movie, the whole movie of Popeye was a love letter to people who love Popeye.
Chris:Yes.
Rachel:And that's why I included all these characters. And so he's in it, and I think he gets his standard jokes that you would have seen in the cartoon, but he's not really a character. Even when he's on the
Matt:He didn't really stand out.
Rachel:Even when he's on the boat with olive oil and they're facing down Pappy, he's just standing there. I don't even think he has a line.
Chris:He was there. He was just a meme.
Matt:He's not
Chris:a He got he has the line that he needed to have. It was the one that he said in the cartoon frequently. I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. Yeah. And the fact that he,
Matt:with the kids every once in a while, and they
Chris:The feds over their heads. The fact that he convinced this guy to basically buy him a hamburger by saying, hey. It's, let me get you a hamburger. He goes, okay. And then he basically says he's paying.
Chris:Yeah. Two hamburgers. He's paying.
Rachel:And he steals a baby, and that's about it.
Chris:Yeah. Paul Dooley, he's had he's had far more memorable roles in other things. But, I mean, he was wimpy. I mean
Rachel:Yeah.
Chris:He did a good job as wimpy.
Rachel:Yeah. But the again, these were just characters that were literally straight lifts from the cartoon as like a even the background characters were all like, look. See, we included these people.
Matt:Mhmm.
Chris:Scatman Carruthers as Dick Halloran is definitely a far more memorable character.
Rachel:Yeah. The lady from the really short lady is in it.
Chris:The really short lady?
Rachel:Yes. She's the shout out mapes in the 1984 Dune.
Matt:Oh, she's in NCI.
Rachel:Linda Hunt. Linda Hunt. She's in it, and she's like a mem she's a character from the she's missus Oxheart.
Chris:Miss Oxheart. She's, ox oxbloods. Is that what his name?
Rachel:Yeah. Just a lot of these people were just background characters that would have been in the cartoon, and you would have been like, oh, okay. I recognize that character. I love the cartoon. I'm glad they included that character.
Rachel:Like, that's why they're in it. Not to be a character, but just to be like a cameo for the character.
Matt:Why am I service?
Chris:Why can't I find the guy that played Ox Oxblood? I'm like rolling through here right now trying to find the name of the guy. And considering he's like the the Oh, there we go. Ox. That is definitely not him.
Chris:Is it? Peter Bray? Sorry. I'm looking at the current picture that they have for Peter Bray and that does not look like the guy that got knocked out in that film. Like, he looks far more slight.
Matt:Maybe they
Rachel:had him in a suit? Like, Popeye's forearms?
Chris:It's entirely possible. But the I mean, do you see the picture that I'm looking at? The one that if you Google Popeye, do you see Ox Oxblood? It says Peter Bray. That's why I kept rolling past the picture.
Rachel:Yeah. I saw it. I thought, well, that doesn't look like him, but I was looking for, Dooley.
Chris:So that doesn't make any sense. Like, visually, it doesn't make any sense to me. So it's hurting my brain right now.
Rachel:You're like, no. It can't be him. No. He's slimmed down.
Chris:He slimmed down. This guy actually has hair. That's probably what's throwing me. Like, if he had shaved his head, maybe he'd look a little bit more like Ox Oxblood, but, like, Ox Oxblood looks like freaking King Kong Bundy for the most part. Like, that's what I was kind of expecting a
Rachel:little bit. Yeah.
Chris:So, I mean, it's only like a like a shot from, like, the shoulders up. So you really can't tell his size in that picture, but it doesn't look like him at all. Yeah. I don't see any other pictures of him either, which is weird. Like I was looking All I'm seeing is an obituary from 2007 which,
Rachel:Oh no. Yeah. Paul Dooley is still alive and still working.
Chris:Well, yeah. But Ox Oxblood is no longer with us.
Rachel:He's almost a 100. He's 96.
Chris:So I don't see anything else with him in it, movies. He's okay. He has a couple movies that he was in, but, like, I don't remember him specifically from those movies. Alright. I'm gonna stop looking up Ox Oxblood.
Chris:I'll look up more pictures of him later because the You're
Rachel:like, no. Why does he look so different?
Chris:The picture is hurting my brain. It really is. Like, he looks like mild mannered, like, accountant type and not, like, big, hulking, bald boxer dude from the, the movie.
Rachel:He was probably really ripped for, like, one movie, and it was Popeye.
Chris:If you remember the scene where he he escaped because he was afraid of Bluto, he was wearing, like, this weird kind of baby Huey sailor outfit.
Rachel:Yeah.
Chris:Like, I don't know if you know baby Huey from the old cartoons where it was like this big duck looking thing with a sailor outfit. It was Yeah. It was funny. Alright. I don't know where I came up with these other pairings, so please pardon me for trying to ask you You
Rachel:were inebriated at the time.
Chris:I was. So, what I have here is Pappy, Popeye's Poop Deck Pappy, Popeye's dad versus the old late naked lady from the bathtub scene in The Shining.
Matt:Well wrinkly.
Rachel:Popeye's mom abandoned him during the middle of a typhoon. So how do we know that isn't his mom?
Chris:The old naked lady from the bathtub?
Rachel:She could have drowned in the typhoon, came back.
Matt:Yeah. And
Rachel:pappy's just like
Chris:So to haunt Jack Torrance? To haunt Jack Torrance?
Rachel:Yes. To haunt Jack Torrance. Why not?
Chris:Aren't you Popeye's mom? Jesus.
Rachel:Time and space is weird. Okay? You could've shown up in the Overlook.
Chris:Don't ask me why I'm here.
Matt:It's a The Overlook, siphons spirits.
Rachel:Yeah. It's a conduit. Come on.
Matt:It's like the holding tank in Ghostbusters. Yeah. Just sucks ghosts in. Mhmm. This is room at the Overlook.
Matt:I
Rachel:mean, obviously, the the dead lady in the bathtub wins because she's already dead. Pepe can't defeat her.
Chris:This did make me feel Pappy's performance, Ray Walston, you know, of my favorite Martian. Yeah. Did make me feel like they could have pulled off a Popeye movie several years prior to this. Like, when he was a little bit younger, he could have been Popeye. Like, they could have done a live action film with him.
Rachel:And then bring him back as Pappy in this one. Oh. Yeah.
Chris:Right? In another world. In another world.
Rachel:I love how they each have pictures of each other and Popeye's just says me and my pappy, like, in handwriting.
Chris:That says me pappy.
Rachel:And he has one that says me and Popeye just in handwriting. Either one of them have photos of each other.
Chris:It's just a it's just a frame with a piece of cardboard.
Rachel:If you listen to Robin's, like, stream of consciousness mumbling that he's doing, some of it is really funny and, like, really Robin Williams. Like, there's one where he's talking about his dad and all the fun stuff they used to do together and how his dad used to throw him up in the air and then disappear so he wasn't there when he came back down. And he's like, my dad was such a good joker because, like, he would throw me up in the air, and then when he would be gone by the time I came back down.
Chris:I am zoned out for just a moment here. I apologize because I saw something that confused the hell out of me. I'm gonna have to I have to go rewatch Popeye again tonight. So Uh-oh. Well, when you're when you're reading a cast list and you realize that there's an actor in there that is semi famous that I I couldn't even pick him out in the movie at all.
Chris:I didn't know he was in there even after watching it again. Dennis Franz, Dennis Franz, noted as the the first male butt on regular television, back in NYPD Blue. Oh. That that was the big controversy for a while is that he showed his butt on, like, regular network television. He's Spike.
Chris:He plays Spike in Popeye, apparently.
Rachel:Well, I think they're in it for, like they might be the ones carrying the piano.
Chris:And I think he's one of the guys that Popeye originally fights in the, fight scene. There's a a little group of thugs.
Rachel:Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. When in when he's, like, apologize. I bet, oh, I can stanz and
Chris:I can't stanz nammar. And he just goes about beating everybody up in there.
Rachel:Yeah. They have a lot of knitwear on. I remember that. Everybody's wearing sweaters.
Chris:For a very sunny and potentially warm seaside community.
Rachel:Right. Well, they set the 1 guy on a heater because his butt gets warm, so that must be cold ish.
Chris:And he jumps off. Oh, no. They they set the guy on a heater and it burns his ass and then he jumps off and the guy looks at him and he jumps back on.
Rachel:Yeah. And then later he's standing on it.
Chris:So back back to, the, naked lady who I cannot name for the life of me. I'm talking about the old version when he finally sees her in the Yeah. The mirror, not the thing that gets out of the tub to begin with. That's a weird switcheroo.
Rachel:It's like, oh. Yeah.
Chris:Pappy versus whoever that was.
Rachel:I mean, I'm just gonna go with Pappy. I don't know. I feel like Pappy would bullshit his way through it. He could eat spinach and beat anybody up. I mean, Popeye can literally punch an octopus.
Chris:Not just punch an octopus. Yeah. Into the, stratosphere, basically. Just
Rachel:Yeah. And if we're talking in terms of acting ability, the ghost lady just stands there, and Pepe has, like, a hole.
Chris:She says a couple things if I'm not mistaken.
Rachel:You know, I get to the end of that movie, and I can never remember anything, but the elevator blood scene, the kid riding the big wheels everywhere, and the, like, typewriter scene where he's supposed to be typing, but he's just doing the Kubrick stare where he's, like, looking down and looking up at the camera.
Matt:We're about the twins in the hallway.
Rachel:Yeah. Part 2. And only from Twister because that's what's on the that's what's on the, drive in movie theater when the tornado
Matt:for the poster?
Rachel:Yeah. No. Because remember the tornado takes out the drive in movie theater, and The Shining is playing on the
Matt:Drive in movie theater. Okay.
Rachel:That's it's The Shining that's playing.
Chris:I have a picture for
Matt:the scene.
Matt:Not as much of a fan of Twister as you are.
Chris:I went to go look up, the person that does the scene, the the bathtub scene, the old woman, and, came up with the name of an actress called Billie Gibson. But then when you click on her picture, it shows up a picture of 4 different women that have nothing to do with each other.
Rachel:Very well. You know?
Matt:I'll
Chris:give them a nice
Rachel:little ghost.
Chris:Like, literally, it's like, okay. These 4 women have nothing to do with each other and 2 of them are black. So, I'm not sure they even know who that was. Okay. We have one final match up here, and that is Bluto versus Danny Torrance and the creepy twins from the film.
Rachel:All three of them all at once.
Matt:All three
Chris:of them all at once.
Rachel:Does Danny get to use the finger? Hello, Hello, Danny. Good day.
Chris:Danny's inner monologue. Danny's no longer here. Yes. I was waiting for him to go, only Zuul. You know, it's
Rachel:Danny's not here right now. This stupid little finger thing. He totally made up for the movie.
Chris:Just I mean, I could have gone the easy way and gone Danny against sweet pea. Yeah.
Matt:That's what I was gonna suggest
Matt:Mhmm.
Matt:If you didn't mention Danny.
Rachel:I mean, I think that if Popeye punching an octopus scared Bluto, then definitely 2 creepy twins would scare Bluto.
Chris:2 creepy twins and visions of slaughter dancing through his head.
Rachel:Yeah. Right. So he's just gonna turn yellow and run away again.
Chris:And Danny on Danny on a big wheel, though, might be a little dangerous out on the docks.
Rachel:Yeah. Although that one guy has the tri like, the tricycle motorcycle that he rides around, the tax guy.
Chris:That's well, we didn't bring the tax man into this. We we have are there any other matchups that we can make, really? Like, can we
Rachel:put the tax man into this?
Matt:The bartender.
Rachel:The Overlook Hotel versus the tax guy.
Chris:The whole well, the bartender versus the tax guy. There you go.
Rachel:Yeah. The bartender who is the Overlook Hotel. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah.
Rachel:There you go. Versus the tax guy.
Chris:Who is the original win. The original murderer who they he claims, the guy that killed his wife and kids. They they actually see him in, like, flashbacks when he's talking to the guy in the bathroom.
Rachel:He's the bartender.
Chris:He was, no. I think, like, a butler or something. There was a bartender, and then there was him. I think he was, like, a butler or some something for the hotel. I can't remember what they said.
Chris:His, maybe a bellhop. I can't remember off the top of my head what they said his role was, but his name was Dilbert Grady played by Philip Stone.
Matt:Offseason bar operation tax, $3.80.
Rachel:Murder tax.
Matt:And then
Chris:there was, Joe Turkel playing Lloyd the bartender. So I'd I'd say I'd say we pit the the the rabbi and the tax man versus Lloyd and and the, the original murderer.
Rachel:Yeah. I think, tax man wins. He just taxes them until they, give up under the sheer weight of bureaucracy.
Chris:12ยข murdering your family tax. 12ยข per.
Rachel:Yeah. Every attempt.
Chris:15ยข not cleaning your
Matt:axe tax.
Rachel:From. Axe usage tax.
Chris:25ยข blood pouring from the elevator tax.
Rachel:Phantom alcohol tax.
Chris:50ยข to clean that carpet tax.
Rachel:Freezing to death tax, unauthorized use of the maze tax.
Chris:Dollar 05, I'm getting the fuck out of here tax.
Rachel:I know. Yeah. No. Tax man wins.
Chris:Tax metal does keep taxing everything. I think he'd spend most of his time chasing after Danny and the kids, though.
Rachel:Yeah. Just trying to get more money. Or Bluto for Curiosity tax.
Matt:For tax evasion.
Chris:You, you wouldn't I I don't think no. He wouldn't tax Pluto. He never taxes Pluto. That's why, transversely, he never taxes, olive oil. Because olive oil and him were a thing.
Rachel:Mhmm. Until they break up, and then he gives them a $121,000 tax bill in back taxes.
Chris:And that's when they lose their home and, apparently, all the windows in the home too. They even reclaimed the windows. So it's like an open air sea shanty there.
Rachel:Yeah. An odd movie, Popeye was. I can tell you. Remember it being that weird.
Chris:I still love the little, dance that he does at the end doing the Popeye, the sailor man song, doing the little Popeye shuffle.
Rachel:Yeah.
Chris:That was probably my favorite part of the movie.
Rachel:Doing his thing.
Matt:Well and then the random cuts to, like, what appears to be a stunt double.
Chris:Yeah. Acrobatic moves that
Matt:Doing, like, the the back flips and stuff. Yeah.
Chris:We'll go back. It's like, no. No. I actually did my own stunts in that movie. That wasn't a stunt that wasn't an actor.
Chris:We we cut away because I did fall a few times, broke my nose, but, you know, it's
Rachel:It's Robin Williams. Who knows? He's he's fresh out
Matt:of Mork and Mindy. He's fresh
Rachel:off Mork and Mindy. He could've been doing his own stunts.
Chris:Who knows? That's another show I have to watch. Again, Mork and Mindy was a fantastic
Matt:show. Staring.
Rachel:Yeah. Yeah. This is, like, right after Mork and Mindy. This is, like, his first big movie.
Chris:Mork and Mindy and, Mork's first show.
Matt:Do you
Chris:remember where Mork came from?
Rachel:I did not.
Chris:Mork was originally conceived nearing the end
Rachel:of the unhappy days?
Chris:Happy days. Yes. Yeah. It's basically Mork versus the bonds.
Rachel:The showdown. Because he does the, like, thumbs up and he freezes him and then, like, his thumb starts to wiggle and he, like, breaks out of the
Matt:Yeah.
Chris:Yeah. He's he's already cool.
Rachel:Yeah. You
Chris:can't freeze the Fonz. He's already cool. Which is, like, the height of Henry Winkler's career right there.
Rachel:I know. He's, like, 40 playing a teenager, which is just perfect. Like, I love it.
Matt:Outside
Chris:of the do that then. Outside of the bee scene from little Nikki.
Rachel:Yeah. Oh, god. That whole that whole era of Adam Sandler
Matt:career forgotten about little Nikki.
Rachel:A blur.
Chris:Come on. Little Nikki was a great film. It was
Rachel:I can't I can't I can't go back. Like, I can't go back. It's like I I got the kids Ace Ventura because in my mind, Ace Ventura was so funny, and I put it on for them. And I was like, it was horrifying. It's so bad.
Rachel:And I was like, no. Never mind. Like, I just took it out. I got rid of the DVD.
Chris:Ace Ventura was something. Like, I I remember it being hilarious too. And then when I sat down with my daughter and watched the film, and I'm like, there are so many things here that are so wrong.
Rachel:Wow.
Matt:Well, it sounds like the next mashup is going to be Ace Ventura versus little Nikki.
Rachel:No. Because then I'd have to rewatch Ace Ventura, which I flat out refuse to do. Like,
Chris:I can't I
Rachel:can't not even for not even for cinematic anarchy. Not even Ace Ventura when nature calls. The second one.
Chris:I wanna I wanna do some I like I like that I accidentally picked 2 movies that came out in the same year that were starkly different from each other. I do like that. So I think that if I do another mash up, I wanna do something that's similar.
Rachel:Near dark versus aliens.
Chris:That's actually a that's what both
Rachel:because you could do Bill Pullman's character and Bill Pullman's character. You could do the everybody's character because I think it's like it's like the cast of the alien aliens movie got, like, lifted and dropped.
Chris:Transported into another movie altogether. Another movie. Into a vampire flick. Right?
Matt:Yep. Well and we were gonna do a Jake Gyllenhaal time travel.
Rachel:Yeah. But, no, the funnier ones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Rachel:Like what?
Matt:That one's not necessarily funny.
Rachel:Yeah. I'm still lobbying hard for the Rudgar Hour Power Hour.
Chris:I mean, do I I I would like to do Jake Gyllenhaal, but 2 movies that you probably wouldn't pit against each other for any reason. Because one is an absolutely ridiculous, horrible, horrible comedy film, and the other one's Donnie Darko. Donnie Darko versus one of Jake Gyllenhaal's first movies, Bubble Boy.
Rachel:Oh god. Bubble
Matt:boy. Bubble
Chris:boy. I
Matt:might be down for that.
Chris:Which is like Now
Rachel:you have his attention.
Chris:I actually have that movie over here in DVD form on the shelf, and I've never watched it.
Matt:I
Chris:I watched it, like, a long time ago, but I have not watched it since I picked it up on DVD.
Rachel:I think I got it back when Netflix used to send you DVDs.
Matt:Yeah. I think so.
Rachel:Like, I think that's how long ago it's I watched it.
Chris:This is somehow the one you never sent back?
Rachel:No. I mean, I I just don't think I've watched it since. I remember enjoying it more than I thought I would.
Chris:It it's just flat out goofy. Like, it's right up there with,
Matt:where it's supposed to be.
Chris:What was that weird movie that, Carrot Top did? Like, chairman of the board or whatever? Oh my god. Played like a a business man. It was basically prop comedy and movie for me.
Matt:Whole life. I know.
Rachel:He just triggered some ginger trauma over there. He's like, no. Not Carrot Top. No. It's like, Pauley Shore.
Chris:Look up a picture of that guy. That'll that'll, cause some trauma too.
Matt:He he looks distinctive. No. And he's only getting more distinctive over time.
Chris:Carrot Top. Oh my oh, yeah. Between all the plastic surgery and the steroids, carrot top looks, interesting.
Rachel:Vegetative, one might say?
Chris:He he basically looks like the cat lady on steroids.
Rachel:Oh, no.
Chris:Yeah. It's it's pretty carrots. Have you you are you looking at him right now?
Rachel:Yes.
Chris:He's scary looking.
Rachel:It's okay to let it go. Right? It's okay to change.
Matt:Wow.
Chris:Like, what prompted him to get that kind of surgery that makes you perpetually look surprised for the rest of your life?
Matt:It seems like an accident, like a bad face lift.
Rachel:He went Yeah.
Chris:I think him and that woman they call the cat lady went to the same doctor. Like, this is the the end product of everybody going to this one guy who just butchered people. Like, I think Meg Ryan got a bad face lift as well at one point.
Rachel:Yeah. That's a terrible There was a yeah. There was a whole phase there where they were all just getting really bad plastic surgery.
Chris:Tara Reid got some terrible plastic surgery.
Rachel:What's her name? God. He plays with Tom Cruise in you had me at hello. It's Renee Zellweger.
Chris:Renee Zellweger. Yep.
Rachel:She made herself, like, unrecognizable. She's like, I just lost weight, guys. Like, no. That's not
Chris:The only time that I've ever seen, like I don't see a lot of plastic surgery that ends up looking good on people. One person that did get a decent bit of plastic surgery that made her look made her look perfectly well, but it eliminated the one part of her that would made her recognizable, Jennifer Grey.
Rachel:Yeah. The nose lady.
Chris:The nose job.
Matt:And it's
Chris:like, you are actually good looking even with whatever you thought was wrong with your nose. Yeah.
Rachel:She she said a lot of really interesting stuff about that. Because she said she went in as an actress and she came out as nobody. Because, like, nobody recognized her. It removed, like, her one distinctive feature.
Chris:So it yeah.
Rachel:And at the yeah. Because she she was so popular, and then she just disappears.
Chris:Because, yeah, she was recognizable for this, this, this, and this. And then you just look at her now, and it's like, the only thing that I can recognize this version of you from is being the whiny person that eventually marries Jennifer Aniston's boyfriend and, ex boyfriend and Friends.
Rachel:Just bringing it back to Friends.
Chris:Oh, of course.
Rachel:We bring it back.
Chris:Full fucking circle. Well, there's a lot of people that fell into it.
Rachel:Probably seen 2 episodes of Friends in my entire life.
Chris:So Have you seen the original episode, the first episode? No. You've never saw? Okay.
Rachel:Was there a vampire in it? If the answer is no, the answer is probably no.
Chris:Probably no. Phoebe might be a vampire. I don't know.
Rachel:Yeah, maybe.
Chris:It's entire She's a
Rachel:I would have watched it.
Chris:Very quirky. Who knows? Maybe. Definitely Guenther. Have you ever seen him out in the daylight?
Rachel:No.
Chris:Very pale guy the entire show. Maybe Guenther was like a vampire just behind the scenes. You know, there's a whole thing we don't even know.
Rachel:Listen, I've got a genre. Okay? Pretty stuck to it. I've given up hope that I'm ever gonna change.
Chris:Well, then maybe we do we we we we do we do, both of the ideas. We do the bubble boy versus Donnie Darko and we do aliens verse because I gotta get into aliens. I wanna start reviewing the aliens films.
Matt:Yeah.
Chris:But we use that as the segue into reviewing the alien films because I wanna get into that anyway, but we do aliens versus Near Dark.
Rachel:That'd be good. Mhmm.
Chris:So those are 2 episodes we can plan for down the road. That being said, we're gonna go ahead and roll into the the end credits of what this podcast would be if you guys wanna go ahead and, give yourselves a little self promotion.
Rachel:Alright. We are on break until October for Strange and Beautiful Book Club. But, of course, we're on here. So if you miss us, we're on cinematic anarchy. But since we're traveling, I didn't wanna keep up with trying to record and edit and do everything while we're on the road, so we're just on vacation.
Rachel:But we are gonna keep doing the dead do not podcast, which is our new Lex podcast. And we are almost done with season 1, which there's only 4 episodes, so it's not that hard. But we're almost done with season 1 of Lex. And Yeah.
Chris:I was gonna say that's not
Matt:hard to do.
Rachel:Working on right now.
Chris:The seasons were very short.
Rachel:The later seasons are not as short, but the first one is 4 movies. 4 hour and a half long movies.
Chris:A lot of British television shows tend to be short form to begin with. Their seasons tend to be between, like, 6 12 episodes long at best.
Matt:Yeah. Yeah. This one's a Canadian German production. So I'm wrong. Than British.
Chris:It's not British. Why did I think this is a BBC thing? I thought I okay. So this is definitely
Rachel:Maybe you're thinking, like, a red dwarf or something, but this is
Chris:It's possible.
Rachel:Canadian. Very body horror sci like, I a combination of genres, I honestly didn't think could go together, and I'm still not gonna speak to. But we're having a
Matt:lot of fun talking about to the podcast. Yeah. The dead do not podcast. We Let's rewatch.
Rachel:In characteristic style, I've talked about each episode so long. I've had to split them into 2 parts because some of them would have been over 3 hours long.
Matt:We had 8 podcast episodes for the first season where the season had 4 episodes.
Rachel:Anyway, giving people long form content is just a, another service we provide.
Chris:Well, I mean, some of the first episodes were, like, almost movie length. Weren't they?
Rachel:Yeah. They're they're 90 minutes long. They're 4 90 minute movies. That's the first season.
Chris:Before they fall into, like, regular television sized episodes.
Rachel:Yeah. And then season 2 is 45 minute long episodes.
Chris:So, I mean, talking about 90 minutes, I mean, there's a lot to unpack in most of the next episodes to begin with. Yeah.
Rachel:Yeah.
Chris:This was one of the reasons why the show was as as good as it was, but I think it kinda flies under a lot of people's radars too. Like, there's some people I know that doesn't know who
Rachel:that is. Fit neatly into any kind of box. If you like sci fi but you don't like horror, you're not gonna like it. If you like horror but you don't like sci fi, it's not your thing.
Matt:No.
Rachel:It's a very, like, dark comedy, sci fi, horror, a lot of things. Sex comedy. Just a
Chris:It's that's the thing is that I think the show personally for me, I think it lost a lot of people because it was too much all at once, but I personally think it provides a little bit of something for everybody that might wanna sit down and watch it.
Rachel:Yeah.
Chris:Yeah. You just have to be ready for a really interesting watch.
Rachel:It's a ride. It's a it's a ride. Yeah. You gotta be ready for the ride.
Chris:Is there anything else you guys wanna promote? Any other projects
Rachel:or anything? On Strange and Beautiful Network on Instagram. That's where I keep most people updated. And I'm probably gonna be updating our Patreon with stuff about where we are on vacation. So if you're curious about that, our Patreon is Strange and Beautiful Network, and you can find us there.
Chris:And I have no Patreon. I keep I keep trying to sit down and work with my group to to get some things up and running. And then it's like, Hey, let's sit down 5 o'clock tomorrow. Then 5 o'clock tomorrow comes along and I've completely forgotten what I was doing and the person I was working with forgot what they were doing. And I remember why we keep telling people this is an ADHD addled podcast because here, take 5 people with ADHD, make them mostly remote.
Chris:So almost all of our recording is remote because, yeah, I got one girl that lives out in Salem, Mass, which is like 45 minutes from me. I got another friend that lives down in Georgia. One person that can rarely ever get out of her house, another guy that lives up in New Hampshire because he and he's far away because, I mean, it's only like a 30 minute drive, but he has a wife and 4 kids that he's taking care of. So that's further away than a half hour.
Rachel:Yeah.
Chris:So trying to get anybody to sit down and do anything, they just get distracted all the time. I get distracted on a continual basis.
Rachel:Good stuff.
Chris:And I got distracted from my point, which was to tell people you can find us on, most social media networks. We are on Facebook, Instagram, X. We can be listened to on Goodpods, Spotify, all that other fun stuff, pretty much anywhere that you wanna listen to the podcast. We don't have a Patreon even though we are trying to the best of our ADHD adult abilities, which is not really trying all that hard at all now that I think about it.
Matt:It's the trying is invisible to the outside observer.
Chris:I am attempting to try
Matt:screaming to do the thing.
Chris:I'm attempting to try to possibly get around to physically think about maybe starting to eventually get to the part where I may actually get a Patreon up and running. Maybe.
Rachel:Well, there you go. You started the process. It's just a long process.
Chris:So, positive vibes, keep thinking about it whenever it happens to pop into my head. Maybe one day it'll be, hey, I'm sitting down, you're sitting down. Let's get this done, and we'll get it done. And, past that, I gotta come up with a new tagline so that when Niko is not on the podcast, I'm not just telling people to drink water, you thirsty bitches. Because that's not my tagline.
Chris:It doesn't feel right coming it sounds great coming out of her mouth. It doesn't feel right coming from me. So, I don't have a tagline right now. We'll just leave on drink water.
Rachel:I'm drinking bitches.
Chris:Yeah. Drink water, you thirsty bitches. I'm drinking water or I'm drinking, vegetable and leaf soup, basically, right here. I, mushroom mocha tea, which is actually not all that bad at all. And, before I get into another little tangent, I'm just gonna go.
Chris:Bye.
Rachel:Until next time, friends.
Chris:Bye. Bye.
